Wiring for phone/DSL installation?

[beelzerob]

Ok, Monday the local provider is supposed to come out and give us phone and DSL. Now, I'm pretty sure that when he see's that we're 500' feet from the road, he's going to go crazy and we'll be delayed a few more days while they get the right equipment to pull the cable...but I did warn them.

Anyway, let's pretend he actually comes equipped for the job. Right now I have a conduit that's poking up out of the ground outside my house. That's it. And I have a ton of non-terminated wire down in the wiring basement.

So, the question I have is...what is the minimum that I need to actually terminate, and how, so he can verify his telephone/DSL install?

I need to run a wire from the basement outside the house where he'll put his box. Is that just standard cat5 wire? No problem there, I've got tons of that stuff still.

If it is Cat5, then on the other end of that wire, what do I need to wire? I have to end up with a telephone jack, right? I've got plenty of Cat5e female terminations...is a phone jack different? Is it wired different than the normal cat5 termination is?

Obviously I'll have to have a PC there, but I'll just take a laptop, and I can plug it directly into the DSL modem if I need to for testing....so what does the DSL modem plug into? If this were cable, it's easy...the coax comes in and plugs into the modem. Is that the same for DSL, but with Cat5 instead?

 

[CollinR]

I need to run a wire from the basement outside the house where he'll put his box. Is that just standard cat5 wire? No problem there, I've got tons of that stuff still.

If it is Cat5, then on the other end of that wire, what do I need to wire? I have to end up with a telephone jack, right? I've got plenty of Cat5e female terminations...is a phone jack different? Is it wired different than the normal cat5 termination is?

Obviously I'll have to have a PC there, but I'll just take a laptop, and I can plug it directly into the DSL modem if I need to for testing....so what does the DSL modem plug into? If this were cable, it's easy...the coax comes in and plugs into the modem. Is that the same for DSL, but with Cat5 instead?

It's just a single run of Cat5 unless you think you may get more then 3 lines (plus a tamper circuit).

Inside the demarcation box there is normall an RJ11 for quick disconnect, you can plug in a phone and/or DSL modem there for testing. All you will need is their basic self install kit.

 

[pkoslow]

beelzerob,

You should consider a whole-house DSL filter so you don't have to fool around with DSL filters at all your phone locations.

I've used this one from Channel Vision several times... it even has a RJ-31 port if you need to connect security:
http://www.channelvision.com/pdf/product/i.../P-0411-ins.pdf

Cheers,
Paul

 

[Frunple]

beelzerob,

You should consider a whole-house DSL filter so you don't have to fool around with DSL filters at all your phone locations.

I've used this one from Channel Vision several times... it even has a RJ-31 port if you need to connect security:
http://www.channelvision.com/pdf/product/i.../P-0411-ins.pdf

Cheers,
Paul

No need to BUY a whole house dsl filter, the filters they give you are good enough. You just have to hook it up directly to the main feed, then use the splitter on the filter to run to the phones and dsl. IOW, take one pair directly from the phone feed, crimp an rj11 onto it (depending on the filter) and plug this into the "in" of the filter. There should be 2 outs of the filter, one marked phone, the other marked dsl. Run the "phone out" as your distribution for voice lines. Run the "dsl oout" to your modem. If they give you the inline filter (one in , one out) the connect it the same for voice lines but connect the modem to the same feed from the street, before the filter.
Done deal!

 

[beelzerob]

So basically, starting from where the wire comes into the basement, connect an inline DSL filter there, and then from that filter, split it off to telephone and DSL modem? As long as their filter has a telephone and DSL-out connector on it.

 

[CollinR]

beelzerob,
I've used this one from Channel Vision several times... it even has a RJ-31 port if you need to connect security:
http://www.channelvision.com/pdf/product/i.../P-0411-ins.pdf

Cheers,
Paul

No need to BUY a whole house dsl filter, the filters they give you are good enough. You just have to hook it up directly to the main feed, then use the splitter on the filter to run to the phones and dsl. IOW, take one pair directly from the phone feed, crimp an rj11 onto it (depending on the filter) and plug this into the "in" of the filter. There should be 2 outs of the filter, one marked phone, the other marked dsl. Run the "phone out" as your distribution for voice lines. Run the "dsl oout" to your modem. If they give you the inline filter (one in , one out) the connect it the same for voice lines but connect the modem to the same feed from the street, before the filter.
Done deal!

Paul's is an all in one 2 filtered outlet and 1 unfiltered plus acts as an RJ31x. I think the more devices concentrated is better but especially with an alarm as in your method you would also need a DSL filter for the alarm which is why that device provides 2 filtered outputs.

 

[pkoslow]

beelzerob,

You should consider a whole-house DSL filter so you don't have to fool around with DSL filters at all your phone locations.

I've used this one from Channel Vision several times... it even has a RJ-31 port if you need to connect security:
http://www.channelvision.com/pdf/product/i.../P-0411-ins.pdf

Cheers,
Paul

No need to BUY a whole house dsl filter

Agreed, you can just hang one of the inline telco provided DSL filters at the DEMARC, but whole-house filters like the Channel Vision I linked are inexpensive and provide a nice clean solution for connecting your phones, modem and security.

I've used them to clean up wiring for at least a dozen customers and the end result is always much nicer (and easier to troubleshoot) than biscuits and splices/junctions to make it work with the in-line filters.

 

[Frunple]

beelzerob,
I've used this one from Channel Vision several times... it even has a RJ-31 port if you need to connect security:
http://www.channelvision.com/pdf/product/i.../P-0411-ins.pdf

Cheers,
Paul

No need to BUY a whole house dsl filter, the filters they give you are good enough. You just have to hook it up directly to the main feed, then use the splitter on the filter to run to the phones and dsl. IOW, take one pair directly from the phone feed, crimp an rj11 onto it (depending on the filter) and plug this into the "in" of the filter. There should be 2 outs of the filter, one marked phone, the other marked dsl. Run the "phone out" as your distribution for voice lines. Run the "dsl oout" to your modem. If they give you the inline filter (one in , one out) the connect it the same for voice lines but connect the modem to the same feed from the street, before the filter.
Done deal!

Paul's is an all in one 2 filtered outlet and 1 unfiltered plus acts as an RJ31x. I think the more devices concentrated is better but especially with an alarm as in your method you would also need a DSL filter for the alarm which is why that device provides 2 filtered outputs.

No need for any filters other than the one. At the point of exit of the filter, you have nothing but dial tone. This can then be connected directly to a rj31x or any other POTS device. One house, one filter!!

This is of course as I stated if you dont want to buy a filter. Just letting the op know the filters that come with the service are more than enough to do the whole house if placed at the main entry.

 

[Steve]

Both Frunple and Paul are right. IF the local telco gives you a whole house filter splitter like this, then you can go that route. That is essentially what I have in my house now. But if you put it out by the telco demarc, I would run 2 cat5 there, 1 for the unfiltered DSL signal that will go directly to where your modem is, and the other to where you filtered phone cross connect/patch pane/distribution to your room is. Yes, you can run just 1 cat 5 and use different pairs too, but you will have to split it off somewhere inside. You will then also need a separate RJ31x by the alarm panel (fed from the filtered line). While this is a perfectly acceptable solution, I wholeheartedly agree with Paul on the suggestion of the CV P-0411, I really like that device.

I use one of them at my sisters (that is a link to pic) and I am tossing my Siecor for one when I move my system. If you go with the 0411, you would run 1 Cat5 to your SWP. The 0411 will filter which you then feed to your home distribution and has a jack for your DSL modem (unfiltered) as well as a built in RJ31x with a bypass switch. If nothing else, you are gaining a surge suppressor with this as well.

The whole thing is only like $40. Whatever you do, DO NOT use inline filters all over the place, like on each phone. The telco self install kit typically comes with a crapload of them for the consumer who only know how to plug in a phone.

Bottom line for me is if an extra $40 won't kill you, the P-0411 is an awesome device, if money is that tight and IF telco will provide the Siecor filter, than you can use it, but if telco won't give you the whole house and you would have to buy it, then it would be a no-brainer to gp the CV route.