Doorbell photo emailing
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elvisimprsntr
Active Member
Most IP cameras have some sort of built in email capability based on motion or external trigger.
I have the Elk doorbell module which I had wired up to an Insteon IOLinc, and a Trendnet IP camera with GPIO. When the doorbell was pressed, the IOLinc would close the relay output to the camera GPIO, which the camera was configured to send a MMS text message with picture attached. It worked great, until...
Within the last week, I upgraded my IP cameras to newer Trendnet models with better resolution and night vision. Unfortunately, the cameras I bought do not have GPIO. Other more expensive models do have GPIO. My plan to reclaim doorbell picture message capability is to use the same Elk doorbell module wired up directly to an Elk zone (to eliminate the IOLinc), which the ISY994i can monitor the Elk zone status to send and HTTP command to the new IP camera to trigger the picture message. I just received the API documentation from Trendnet for the model cameras I purchased, so I should be able to implement it tonight.
I have the Elk doorbell module which I had wired up to an Insteon IOLinc, and a Trendnet IP camera with GPIO. When the doorbell was pressed, the IOLinc would close the relay output to the camera GPIO, which the camera was configured to send a MMS text message with picture attached. It worked great, until...
Within the last week, I upgraded my IP cameras to newer Trendnet models with better resolution and night vision. Unfortunately, the cameras I bought do not have GPIO. Other more expensive models do have GPIO. My plan to reclaim doorbell picture message capability is to use the same Elk doorbell module wired up directly to an Elk zone (to eliminate the IOLinc), which the ISY994i can monitor the Elk zone status to send and HTTP command to the new IP camera to trigger the picture message. I just received the API documentation from Trendnet for the model cameras I purchased, so I should be able to implement it tonight.
elvisimprsntr
Active Member
Well I am disappointed. Trendnet cameras do not support sending a HTTP trigger event. The only way to do it is how I had it configured previously using cameras with GPIO.
My next move will be to send a HTTP command to my ZoneMinder NVR to send a picture to my MMS email address.
My next move will be to send a HTTP command to my ZoneMinder NVR to send a picture to my MMS email address.
drvnbysound
Senior Member
elvisimprsntr said:
Curious to know how much you're paying for those Trendnet cameras?
Not sure if you realize by HikVision is the OEM for Trendnet. Here is a link to a Hik that has GPIO: http://www.ebay.com/itm/400710340946?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
pete_c
Guru
Anyone familiar with this type of rig?
Not sure what an EW40 doorbell system is and what else you have configured.
Here just use integration to my Leviton HAI OmniPro stuff.
You can do all sorts of stuff with newer IP cameras.
Just related to one of the newer cameras (old ones here are Optex and new ones here are Grand stream).
You can record either snapshots or videos with the NVR integration or just purchase one of the cloud connected wireless doorbell cameras.
It really depends on your knowledge base of what you have connected and the options for it and if you want to DIY it or just hire somebody to do it for you.
It really depends on you.
Here is a quickie snapshot of the alarm integration on the operating system of one camera.
Personally here do not and do use video analytics for outdoor stuff and prefer hard wired sensors for triggers. (IE: the doorbell for example).
IE: the doorbell stuff is wired to the security stuff that is wired to the camera stuff that is wired to the NVR / touchscreens / doorbell / et al stuff.
A door bell ring triggers a series of events here and one those events is just an image snapshot of the door bell ringer.
Reading your post it appears that you have a Viking C-200 and a EW40 doorbell system.
Is this integrated to anything else in your home security wise?
Not sure what an EW40 doorbell system is and what else you have configured.
Here just use integration to my Leviton HAI OmniPro stuff.
You can do all sorts of stuff with newer IP cameras.
Just related to one of the newer cameras (old ones here are Optex and new ones here are Grand stream).
You can record either snapshots or videos with the NVR integration or just purchase one of the cloud connected wireless doorbell cameras.
It really depends on your knowledge base of what you have connected and the options for it and if you want to DIY it or just hire somebody to do it for you.
It really depends on you.
Here is a quickie snapshot of the alarm integration on the operating system of one camera.
Personally here do not and do use video analytics for outdoor stuff and prefer hard wired sensors for triggers. (IE: the doorbell for example).
IE: the doorbell stuff is wired to the security stuff that is wired to the camera stuff that is wired to the NVR / touchscreens / doorbell / et al stuff.
A door bell ring triggers a series of events here and one those events is just an image snapshot of the door bell ringer.
Reading your post it appears that you have a Viking C-200 and a EW40 doorbell system.
Is this integrated to anything else in your home security wise?
Right now it is not integrated into anything
The EW model was all weather edition. It has a pinhole camera inside. I don't think it's an IP camera or if one can be substituted in there. I currently have homeseer, upb lighting and other automation items that act independently.
The EW model was all weather edition. It has a pinhole camera inside. I don't think it's an IP camera or if one can be substituted in there. I currently have homeseer, upb lighting and other automation items that act independently.
pete_c
Guru
I utilize Homeseer here too with the Leviton HAI OmniPro panel for some integration.
Here are a couple of wiring diagrams for the Viking doorbell with camera. I have no clue whether you are using the analog camera today. It is easy to make it an IP camera though.
If there is a pin hole camera and it is analog you can put an Axis IP server connection (analog to IP).
If Viking is using a standard camera board IE: 35-38mm square board with lens you can update the board / lens today to a better board, lens, color, ...well much smarter analog video than probably was utilized by Viking. Much of this stuff uses modular commonly sourced pieces and it probably is not propietary.
It is only 3-4 wires to the camera board ==> power and video.
You can even just replace the pinhole camera with an IP HD camera as today you can purchase a single board HD IP wide angle lens camera for less than $100 and they are tiny (I have done this). It would fit just fine inside of your doorbell box.
Here is a picture of a single board IP HD camera. It is more wires. (network and power).
Here you wouldn't need to convert the analog to HD IP. It is all done on the camera board.
The ones that I use are miniature computers with RTC,USB storage, switching for LED lighting, etc and they are around 35mm square these days. Might as well get the best bang for your buck if you are in to hardware tinkering. Heck you could even fit a tiny PIR next to the camera so it triggers without pushing on the doorbell button (use both).
Here utilize Axis servers for the old Optex analog cameras and integration to the older Omnitouch 5.7 screens and IP camera integration to the newer Omnitouch 5.7e screens.
IE:
EW Pinhole camera ==> analog coaxial camera wire ==> Axis analog to IP server ==> to wherever.
You can also split the analog signal using a video amplifier to use the old and the new (I am doing that today too).
I also utilize a Grandstream encoder / decoder to pool IP cameras to one analog output.
Here is a picture of a single analog to IP Axis server (which you can purchase on Ebay cheap).
Here is a picture of a Grandstream encoder decoder which are reasonably priced new.
Here is a drawing showing Grandstream Encoder stuff.
Here are a couple of wiring diagrams for the Viking doorbell with camera. I have no clue whether you are using the analog camera today. It is easy to make it an IP camera though.
If there is a pin hole camera and it is analog you can put an Axis IP server connection (analog to IP).
If Viking is using a standard camera board IE: 35-38mm square board with lens you can update the board / lens today to a better board, lens, color, ...well much smarter analog video than probably was utilized by Viking. Much of this stuff uses modular commonly sourced pieces and it probably is not propietary.
It is only 3-4 wires to the camera board ==> power and video.
You can even just replace the pinhole camera with an IP HD camera as today you can purchase a single board HD IP wide angle lens camera for less than $100 and they are tiny (I have done this). It would fit just fine inside of your doorbell box.
Here is a picture of a single board IP HD camera. It is more wires. (network and power).
Here you wouldn't need to convert the analog to HD IP. It is all done on the camera board.
The ones that I use are miniature computers with RTC,USB storage, switching for LED lighting, etc and they are around 35mm square these days. Might as well get the best bang for your buck if you are in to hardware tinkering. Heck you could even fit a tiny PIR next to the camera so it triggers without pushing on the doorbell button (use both).
Here utilize Axis servers for the old Optex analog cameras and integration to the older Omnitouch 5.7 screens and IP camera integration to the newer Omnitouch 5.7e screens.
IE:
EW Pinhole camera ==> analog coaxial camera wire ==> Axis analog to IP server ==> to wherever.
You can also split the analog signal using a video amplifier to use the old and the new (I am doing that today too).
I also utilize a Grandstream encoder / decoder to pool IP cameras to one analog output.
Here is a picture of a single analog to IP Axis server (which you can purchase on Ebay cheap).
Here is a picture of a Grandstream encoder decoder which are reasonably priced new.
Here is a drawing showing Grandstream Encoder stuff.
Wow this is some awesome info.
The viking cam square iirc looks exactly like the one you posted.
With regard to an IP cam replacement board, I only have a single cat5 to the doorbell. Is this a problem with the IP camera board or can I use some of the twisted pairs or would they all be used up or not a good option?
The viking cam square iirc looks exactly like the one you posted.
With regard to an IP cam replacement board, I only have a single cat5 to the doorbell. Is this a problem with the IP camera board or can I use some of the twisted pairs or would they all be used up or not a good option?
pete_c
Guru
I only have a single cat5 to the doorbell.
Not for an upgrade to the analog camera or use of the analog camera as it is only 4 wires (2 for video and 2 for power). The power probably is 12VDC and comes from the doorbell box so it is only two wires.
Is this a problem with the IP camera board or can I use some of the twisted pairs or would they all be used up or not a good option?
The doorbell existing catXX is already being utilized such that ideally running one new cat5e to the box would be best for an IP HD camera. You could though power it via internal power or use POE on the cable. If the box is using some form of conduit then fishing a new wire shouldn't be an issue.
If the doorbell box wires are not in any sort of conduit then pulling another wire is going to be a PITA. That said it can be done by any obi wan cable puller.
Looking at the above diagram it looks like you utilize 4 wires for the camera stuff and 2 wires for the doorbell stuff. With that said you could actually mix the network cabling with the doorbell 2 wires and it could work.
POE would be a bit different. It could still be utilized. You just have to be careful. It would be better still to run a second catxx cable to the box.
Not for an upgrade to the analog camera or use of the analog camera as it is only 4 wires (2 for video and 2 for power). The power probably is 12VDC and comes from the doorbell box so it is only two wires.
Is this a problem with the IP camera board or can I use some of the twisted pairs or would they all be used up or not a good option?
The doorbell existing catXX is already being utilized such that ideally running one new cat5e to the box would be best for an IP HD camera. You could though power it via internal power or use POE on the cable. If the box is using some form of conduit then fishing a new wire shouldn't be an issue.
If the doorbell box wires are not in any sort of conduit then pulling another wire is going to be a PITA. That said it can be done by any obi wan cable puller.
Looking at the above diagram it looks like you utilize 4 wires for the camera stuff and 2 wires for the doorbell stuff. With that said you could actually mix the network cabling with the doorbell 2 wires and it could work.
POE would be a bit different. It could still be utilized. You just have to be careful. It would be better still to run a second catxx cable to the box.
So something like this might work to replace the non-ip cam?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/720P-1-0Megapixels-1-4-OV9712-Sensor-Hi3518-ip-camera-board-camera-module-with-LAN-cable/32343508115.html?spm=2114.40010208.4.23.5Rc3pW
I think 12v is already being supplied over the cat5 cable using the 2 poe pairs for the existing functionality (button that rings phone)
Unfortunately no conduit, and because of the location on the outside of the house, obiwan workmanship would definitely be needed.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/720P-1-0Megapixels-1-4-OV9712-Sensor-Hi3518-ip-camera-board-camera-module-with-LAN-cable/32343508115.html?spm=2114.40010208.4.23.5Rc3pW
I think 12v is already being supplied over the cat5 cable using the 2 poe pairs for the existing functionality (button that rings phone)
Unfortunately no conduit, and because of the location on the outside of the house, obiwan workmanship would definitely be needed.
pete_c
Guru
Yes and no.
You want to know about the lens. The link doesn't say much about it.
Google what you want to learn about the lens and CCTV. The basics for any camera lens are the same.
Here is one link about camera lenses. Once you know about this then the specifications of the lens will make sense.
How to choose a CCTV Camera Lens?
Focal Length
The Focal Length is measured in mm. As a guide:
a short focal length (e.g. 2.5mm) = a wide angle of view
a long focal length (e.g. 16mm) = a narrow angle of view
the smaller the CCD Chip – the narrower the angle of view
Depth of Field
The Depth of View is the distance within which objects in a picture are in focus.
A large Depth of Field means almost all objects in the Field of View are in focus.
A small Depth of Field means only a small section of the Field of View are in Focus.
The following factors can lead to a greater Depth of Field:
F Stop
F Stop or Aperture has 2 measurements. When the lens is fully open (Maximum Aperture / Minimum F-Stop), just before the lens completely closes (Minimum Aperture / Maximum F-Stop).
F Stop – is the lenses ability to gather light depending on the aperture and focal length.
C or CS Mount
The 2 standard cctv camera lens mounts. The difference between the two is simply the distance between the lens and the ccd image sensor. C Mount – 17.5mm CS Mount – 12.5mm
Auto or Manual Iris
For changing light conditions (e.g. cameras positioned outdoors), Auto Iris lenses are needed.
For indoor use manual iris lenses are sufficient as light levels will not vary too much.
Video or Direct Drive
The majority of CCTV Cameras will be able to use both types. Video Drive Lenses contain circuitry which converts video signal from the camera into iris control. Direct Drive Lenses require the cctv camera to contain the circuitry.
CCTV Lens Calculator
For a quick 1/3″ CCD Camera you can work out the lens required using this simple method:
Distance from object multiplied by 4.8, divided by horizontal or vertical area equals the lens required.
d x 4.8 / A = L
e.g.
To focus on an area 5m wide from a camera installed 20m away would be:
20 x 4.8 / 5 = 19.2
So you would need a lens with a focal length of 19.2mm
I personally here used only Grandstream OS boards. You want to know about the OS running on the board.
When purchasing the board you want to see a picture of the GUI access to the camera.
Earlier I mentioned that the OS these days is much like a miniature computer. I have seen too that the higher MP cameras have more memory and can do stuff much faster than the lower MP cameras. Really too there are only a few different OS's and multiple companies using the same OS relabeled.
Here have purchased my camera boards from Surveillance Security Cameras.
They have two companies on the web with similar names. They have good CS, return policies et al.
They have pinhole in a case IP HD cameras there.
Well it comes down to taking apart the box and looking at the ends of the used CatXX cable. You have to be really careful here.
Might be easier to use little punch down ends in a box on both sides of the wire then inside of the box do your stuff for what you have and what you want. Remember the outside pieces and weather stuff.
Use a keystone jack and a little box to put it in on each side of the cat5xx wire.
You want to know about the lens. The link doesn't say much about it.
Google what you want to learn about the lens and CCTV. The basics for any camera lens are the same.
Here is one link about camera lenses. Once you know about this then the specifications of the lens will make sense.
How to choose a CCTV Camera Lens?
Focal Length
The Focal Length is measured in mm. As a guide:
a short focal length (e.g. 2.5mm) = a wide angle of view
a long focal length (e.g. 16mm) = a narrow angle of view
the smaller the CCD Chip – the narrower the angle of view
Depth of Field
The Depth of View is the distance within which objects in a picture are in focus.
A large Depth of Field means almost all objects in the Field of View are in focus.
A small Depth of Field means only a small section of the Field of View are in Focus.
The following factors can lead to a greater Depth of Field:
- Using a Wide Angle Lens
- High F-Stop
- Using an Auto Iris
- Camera Format
F Stop
F Stop or Aperture has 2 measurements. When the lens is fully open (Maximum Aperture / Minimum F-Stop), just before the lens completely closes (Minimum Aperture / Maximum F-Stop).
F Stop – is the lenses ability to gather light depending on the aperture and focal length.
C or CS Mount
The 2 standard cctv camera lens mounts. The difference between the two is simply the distance between the lens and the ccd image sensor. C Mount – 17.5mm CS Mount – 12.5mm
Auto or Manual Iris
For changing light conditions (e.g. cameras positioned outdoors), Auto Iris lenses are needed.
For indoor use manual iris lenses are sufficient as light levels will not vary too much.
Video or Direct Drive
The majority of CCTV Cameras will be able to use both types. Video Drive Lenses contain circuitry which converts video signal from the camera into iris control. Direct Drive Lenses require the cctv camera to contain the circuitry.
CCTV Lens Calculator
For a quick 1/3″ CCD Camera you can work out the lens required using this simple method:
Distance from object multiplied by 4.8, divided by horizontal or vertical area equals the lens required.
d x 4.8 / A = L
e.g.
To focus on an area 5m wide from a camera installed 20m away would be:
20 x 4.8 / 5 = 19.2
So you would need a lens with a focal length of 19.2mm
I personally here used only Grandstream OS boards. You want to know about the OS running on the board.
When purchasing the board you want to see a picture of the GUI access to the camera.
Earlier I mentioned that the OS these days is much like a miniature computer. I have seen too that the higher MP cameras have more memory and can do stuff much faster than the lower MP cameras. Really too there are only a few different OS's and multiple companies using the same OS relabeled.
Here have purchased my camera boards from Surveillance Security Cameras.
They have two companies on the web with similar names. They have good CS, return policies et al.
They have pinhole in a case IP HD cameras there.
Well it comes down to taking apart the box and looking at the ends of the used CatXX cable. You have to be really careful here.
Might be easier to use little punch down ends in a box on both sides of the wire then inside of the box do your stuff for what you have and what you want. Remember the outside pieces and weather stuff.
Use a keystone jack and a little box to put it in on each side of the cat5xx wire.
HomeSecurityList
Member
Hello Rismoney,rismoney said:
Please check this: Viking C-200 comes with "One set of normally open and normally closed contacts available for operating a doorbell, camera, lights, etc." Source: https://www.vikingelectronics.com/product-details.php%3Fpid%3D385&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=F__WVo-9L8S-uAS0prSIAQ
Ring video doorbell and Skybell video doorbell have become very popular recently. Ctronics CT-DB01W comes with a patent design.
Cheers,
Shawn
