Elk Navigator questions
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Why is the screen so small? This doesn't seem competitive when compared with the other touch screens out on the market.
Have you seen what Honeywell is doing? It makes this look like it is circa 1995. Unless the pricing is such to make this extremely attractive, I can't see how this is competitive at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Ljk1brlek&feature=related
ELK already offers a 7" touchscreen. The Navigator is designed to replace an actual keypad, meaning you don't have to run new wires. I actually like it, the video shows how quick it responds to touch, and is very simple to use. And yes, it is supposed to be a low-cost alternative, but no official MSRP has been announced yet.
BraveSirRobbin
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HERE is the ISC West 2011 review of this product along with a demo video. I liked it. The graphics were sharp and I really liked the smaller size (wife would rather not have big bulky automation type keypads on the wall anyway)! B)
As mentioned above, this is a DIRECT replacement for Elk's existing keypads, meaning you just use the same four wires that you used for the current setup.
The bezels come in different colors and the mounting is 'flush' along the wall. I don't know the full dimensions, but you can get a good estimate from the video!
As mentioned above, this is a DIRECT replacement for Elk's existing keypads, meaning you just use the same four wires that you used for the current setup.
The bezels come in different colors and the mounting is 'flush' along the wall. I don't know the full dimensions, but you can get a good estimate from the video!
mikejrc
Active Member
I can tell you this
there is a 3 wire serial (DB9) connection to it. So you can connect it to a PC and mirror the keypad with software, basically remote control it as if you were in from of it.
I doubt you can do the speaker behind it is a lot smaller than the KP2.
they only told me about a 4 wire connection but not anything additional for a wired zone, since it's connected to the same bus it may be possible to have that capability but I can't confirm
there is a 3 wire serial (DB9) connection to it. So you can connect it to a PC and mirror the keypad with software, basically remote control it as if you were in from of it.
I doubt you can do the speaker behind it is a lot smaller than the KP2.
they only told me about a 4 wire connection but not anything additional for a wired zone, since it's connected to the same bus it may be possible to have that capability but I can't confirm
If you use a 4" sq box and a single gang mud ring mounted horizontal it might work for the speaker in the box. Good question about the zone and output.
I like this touchscreen keypad better than the TS07 because it sits on the 4 wire buss and makes it a lot easier for a retrofit install. This product will be perfect for a friend of mine who I help do installs when he uses ELK. He can mail a flyer offering an upgrade package to this and its basically a quick changeover (depending on how much more power it requires than a regular keypad). I could do one in an evening for him and make a few bucks for both of us. Its a good way to get back into a customer's home and sell add on devices. Also it is more reliable because it does not require your router and switch to talk to the panel so it can be the primary keypad.
I wonder if the backlight dims after a set time of inactivity to save battery power when AC power is lost?
Wish it had video but that is just not possible over the data bus. It may not be a 7 or 10 inch screen but a lot of people dont want that.
BraveSirRobbin
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I asked Spanky if this keypad had any I/O capabilities and he said it does not.
tmbrown97
Senior Member
Thx BSR - I was asking for the same reasons as Digger - though it doesn't matter much for me, others may be using those inputs/outputs today.
Still tho - it's not bad looking - I'm considering a couple as replacements for my KP2's - for me though, the audio is important as I have it originating at my keypads today.
Still tho - it's not bad looking - I'm considering a couple as replacements for my KP2's - for me though, the audio is important as I have it originating at my keypads today.
So this is really going to come down to the pricing on this unit. A small uplift over a conventional keypad would make tremendous sense. Anything beyond that, and I am not sure I'll be able to sell it.
Yes, ELK has a 7" touchpanel but it is in desperate need of an update. The dealer cost is way too high when compared with the competition. I can get a Honeywell 7" touchsceen for around $250-$300. Also, the resolution of the screen needs to be updated. If they revved the panel I am sure they could bring the COGS down and make it more competitive. Their 7" is also pretty ugly...I haven't been able to sell it in its current state (WAF factor)
Yes, ELK has a 7" touchpanel but it is in desperate need of an update. The dealer cost is way too high when compared with the competition. I can get a Honeywell 7" touchsceen for around $250-$300. Also, the resolution of the screen needs to be updated. If they revved the panel I am sure they could bring the COGS down and make it more competitive. Their 7" is also pretty ugly...I haven't been able to sell it in its current state (WAF factor)