OmniPro II Two Buildings, Two Exterior Sounders

kwschumm

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We're building a new house with a separate shop.
 
With the OmniPro the shop will be set up as a second area, with it's own console and such.
 
I'd like to have one exterior sounder on the shop and another on the house.
 
The house is easy, just use the sounder connections on the board.
 
The shop will have it's own expansion panel. I'm assuming this panel does not have dedicated sounder connections.
 
Is there a built-in way to trigger a secondary sounder on an alarm condition in a secondary area?
 
Or would I have to do this programmatically using the When Alarm event?
 
Has anyone resolved this and encountered any pitfalls?
 
TIA, and Happy Holidays!
 
I  have a similar situation and I pulled an 18/4 speaker cable between the buildings to carry out1 and/or out2 from the panel to the out-building.
 
Mike.
 
mikefamig said:
I  have a similar situation and I pulled an 18/4 speaker cable between the buildings to carry out1 and/or out2 from the panel to the out-building.
 
Mike.
Thanks, seems obvious but I didn't think of that. I'm over the 1A limit anyway so might as well just use the sounder outputs to close some relays.
 
Another way to go is to put an auxiliary power supply in the outbuilding.
 
EDIT

 I should explain - putting a power source in the outbuilding would allow you to power any sort of noisemaker that you want through a relay that is turned on and off by logic on the panel. I put a 6 amp power supply in the house so that it could power the outbuilding and also supplement the house.
 
Mike.
 
The shop will have it's own expansion panel. I'm assuming this panel does not have dedicated sounder connections.
 
The HAI 17A00-1 has 16 inputs and outputs.  You can utilize one of the outputs as an external sounder.
 
Is there a built-in way to trigger a secondary sounder on an alarm condition in a secondary area?
Or would I have to do this programmatically using the When Alarm event?
 
You can define any of the outputs as sounders.
 
Or would I have to do this programmatically using the When Alarm event?
 
Here is the installation manual for the HAI 17A00-1
 
panel1.jpg
 
expansion.jpg
 
You would utilize the A and B terminals to the main panel console A and B terminals.  Locally the Keypad would utilize the A and B terminals plus 12VDC terminals. 
 
Wiring between panels would be 2 wires from primary to secondary controller.  Console and communications keypad will utilize the same wires.  Thinking distance is up to 1000 feet between the two panels.
 
op2panel.jpg
 
Here utilize a secondary expansion panel for the OmniTouch and CCTV stuff. 
 
I use 4 wires between the panels and second pair of wires are used to monitor the batteries in the aux panel. 
 
It is just a zone input to the primary panel and doesn't indicate voltage; just a battery fault.
 
I have one place that has 4 areas, all with their own keypads, sounders, and expansion enclosures.  We went down the path of using logic to turn on outputs based on alarm conditions.  That allowed folks to see and hear which area was tripped.
 
Thanks, everyone, for the great information.
 
Pete, thanks also for the excellent writeup.
 
The console/data wires will run underground to a second building. How well are those wires protected from differential voltages and surges on the boards? Is additional protection required? I assume they are RS-485, so the data should work, but sometimes ground potential differences can cause problems. Thanks!
 
The installation manual makes it really clear (in bold capital letters) that the grounds MUST be connected between all of the panels.
 
I had a friend who had not done this and somehow had a surge across the 485 console bus.  Blew a fuse on one console, and crashed the entire system until a complete reset was done.
 
How well are those wires protected from differential voltages and surges on the boards? Is additional protection required?
 
The panels / boards have ground terminals which should be connected to earth ground and as above the manual states that first wire to the panel should be a ground wire. 
 
That said best to add protection.
 
There was a lengthy discussion relating to grounding and surge protection between two buildings which Mike brought up over here ===>
 
Alarm Systems, Alarm Sensors, CCTV, Access Control, ...
 
kwschumm said:
Thanks, everyone, for the great information.
 
Pete, thanks also for the excellent writeup.
 
The console/data wires will run underground to a second building. How well are those wires protected from differential voltages and surges on the boards? Is additional protection required? I assume they are RS-485, so the data should work, but sometimes ground potential differences can cause problems. Thanks!
 
I lost an ethernet switch and TV set top box to lightning shortly after attaching the garage via buried cat6 cable inside a PVC conduit. I ended up installing a Ditek surge device at the point that each cable (ethernet, rs-485 and DC power) enters each building and so far so good. Search around here for the word "ditek" and you should find many references from past conversations.
 
Mike.
 
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