Pre-wire for a Unattached Garage

[sbex55]

sbex55,
 
Here I am using two switches for zone status on the two garage doors.  Its overdoing it a bit but one is for the garage door in the down position and the other is for the garage door in the up position.  I have left the original garage door motor wiring in place (with the light sensors et al).
 
The garage itself is also a Russound Zone and subzone for audio.  I did also add one RG6 for MM video.  I rebroadcast stuff internally on RG6.  That said though you could also add an XBMC box and stream TV stuff to it.  (added network, Russound controller Cat5e, audio speaker wire).

 
Pete - thanks for the ideas.  I might add speaker wire to the wire pull list.  Thanks again!

 

[sbex55]

I have 14 hard wired zones used on my M1, so I was going to use a XIN to add the additional contacts/sensors anyway. However, I don't foresee adding any more hardwired zones to my main partition, so it was an easier decision for me to add the XIN to the detached garage. Additionally, I wanted the ability to trigger a siren/speaker separately for the garage, hence the XOVR; as I'm already using my built-in output for garage door control. A DBH to tie those and the keypad together (preference)... and that leaves me with (1) category wire pull needed between structures.

 
Thanks.  Can I use the databus to control the overhead door opener?  I thought that needed a separate 18 awg wire.

 

[drvnbysound]

Thanks.  Can I use the databus to control the overhead door opener?  I thought that needed a separate 18 awg wire.

 
No the databus is used to allow the M1 to communicate with other databus devices (e.g. keypads, XEP, XSP, XINs, XOVRs, etc). I used the onboard output from the M1 to control my garage door; leaving all of the existing wiring in place that would generally be used to operate a garage door.

 

[sbex55]

Just so I understand my options ... if I wanted the following items in the garage:

     1 - Two Door Contacts
     2 - Keypad
     3 - Motion Detector  
     4 - Garage Door Control
     5 - Camera

Using an XIN and a power supply (like P212S) I would need to pull:
     - Cat5 (for items 1, 2 and 3)
     - 18/2 (for item 4)
     - Cat5 or RG6 (for item 5) - can I use the P212S to power most outside cameras?

I would need to spend approximately $300 for XIN, P212S, 1280 battery and run power to the garage enclosure.  

I would gain expandability in the garage as well free up some zones on my main panel and save some power.  I would eliminate the need to pull 3 wires (2 22/4's and 18/4 for camera power).

Do I have this right?

 

[drvnbysound]

Looks good to me. Understand that motions also require power to function. This would likely run off the P212S.
 
Regarding the camera and the P212S - Possibly. Realize that the P212S outputs are 12VDC, and that the max output is 2A (total current)... so you will have to consider the current draw of the motion (minimal, but a consideration) as well.

 

[sbex55]

So ... should I use direct burial wire even though I have PVC conduit?  Various forums indicate the conduit will fill up with water and direct burial wire will protect from this problem. 
 
Thanks.

 

[Del91574]

Conduit outside, even though sealed, is always considered a wet location by code. Either a W suffix wire or outdoor direct burial rated, or simply outdoor rated/gel filled, assuming the run is not vertical.

 

[sbex55]

Conduit outside, even though sealed, is always considered a wet location by code. Either a W suffix wire or outdoor direct burial rated, or simply outdoor rated/gel filled, assuming the run is not vertical.

 
Thanks!

 

[newalarm]

I would also think about temp sensors. Those need to go directly back to the M1 and can't go on the XINs. I think they are three wires?
 
We ended up installing our p212s in the M1 enclosure, then running a 18/2 wire for power to the garage (about 50' away.) The garage did not need a whole lot of power.
 
We also buried conduits, i think a 4" for telco. I would recommend conduit over buried wires since once they are buried, you need to dig to add anything. Made that mistake before.