Apologies and another question

[drvnbysound]

I'd like to know if anyone here has an M1TWA and M1XRFTW running on the same system.
 
Mike.

 
Yes. I mentioned this to you via PM a few weeks ago. Running with no issues.

 

[mikefamig]

This afternoon I removed the p212s from the garage and it is now powered by the altronix via a 16awg cable. I set the altronix at 13.97 volts to match the M1 and it is around 13.5 at the garage. The Elk tech assured me that anything between 12 and 15 volts should be fine.
 
So at this point I have no twa and no p212s and I plan to get it working consistently in this configuration before changing anything else.
 
Mike.

 

[mikefamig]

Resetting the control seems to have done the trick so far.

Mike.

 

[mikefamig]

Update
 
DEL
 
You seemed convinced that my system retarting was caused by overloading the power supply on my controller and/or p212s and it seemed to make sense to me at the time but but I have to doubt this now. The system had another system start up at 2:20 am. This time the log shows that all zones were bypassed including all house zones both wired and wireless which are powered by the control and all m1xin-garage zones which are powered by the altronix. I have absolutely no idea what to do next. I can think of nothing that I have not already tried. I know it makes no sense but I'm feeling that I damaged the new control by simply connecting the 18ah battery to it. It was immediately after powering up with that battery that symptoms returned after five days of running perfectly.
 
I'm about to throw in the towel. Any suggestions?
 
Mike.

 

[Neurorad]

Admittedly, haven't read the whole thread, but I'm planning a similar install, so likely will in the near future.
 
Wouldn't all devices on the same RS485 bus be affected by a power drop?
 
How is additional power 'added' to the garage DBH?  Looking at the P212s instructions (for the first time)...jumper in place on the P212S?
 
Can the P212S be moved out to the garage, and leave the KP/RS485 devices powered by the main board, or is that too much voltage drop (200') for the single needed KP there? Ah, nevermind, saw you also have XIN and XOVR out there too.  
 
Can the P212S be used to power the RS485 bus as well as other devices simultaneously (motions, etc)?  How are these other devices getting power from the P212S?

 

[mikefamig]

Admittedly, haven't read the whole thread, but I'm planning a similar install, so likely will in the near future.
 
Wouldn't all devices on the same RS485 bus be affected by a power drop?
 
How is additional power 'added' to the garage DBH?  Looking at the P212s instructions (for the first time)...jumper in place on the P212S?
 
Can the P212S be moved out to the garage, and leave the KP/RS485 devices powered by the main board, or is that too much voltage drop (200') for the single needed KP there? Ah, nevermind, saw you also have XIN and XOVR out there too.  
 
Can the P212S be used to power the RS485 bus as well as other devices simultaneously (motions, etc)?  How are these other devices getting power from the P212S?

 
The p212s is history and has been replaced with an altronix al400ulpd4 which is located in the house next to the elk enclosure.
 
Look at the dbh install manual and you will see a + and - post along side the data a and data b connectors. This is where you connect power to supply the dbh. It does not matter where the power comes from as long as it is within voltage specs and supplies enough power for the devices that you conect to the dbh.
 
I have "data a" and "data b" and a common (-) connected between the m1 and the dbh in the garage. Then I ran 12vdc + and - from the altronix to the + and - posts of the dbh. I could have used power from the M1 or any other 12 volt power source but I chose the altronix.
 
Mike.

 

[Neurorad]

I'm sure DEL mentioned this linked Altronix/M1 info in this thread, but just to throw it out there:
 
http://cocoontech.com/forums/topic/18745-newbie-would-appreciate-some-help-with-elk-m1/?p=155305
 
Could a chilly night affect a voltage drop out to the garage, as DEL described?

 

[RAL]

It sure is puzzling as to what could have caused the reboot.   Since last night wasn't all the cold, it's hard to blame it on the temperature.
 
One thought I had was that you could disconnect all the wires that run out to the garage, and run the system that way for a while. That might give you an indication whether the problem is internal to the house or has something to do with the garage connections.

 

[mikefamig]

The temperature only dropped to about 50 degrees last night and I would be really disappointed if that caused a problem. As for disconnecting the garage, I went through that already. I tore the system down and built it back up one device at a time and it all ran well. Then I changed a battery and the symptoms returned. I really don't have the patience to explain my entire experience again, I can't even remember it all but it is all recorded in this thread which is 16 pages long and a lot has been tried and failed.
 
Elk tech recommended to me today to erase all rules and let it run like that for a few days and that is where I am right now.
 
Mike.

 

[mikefamig]

RAL
 
I have gone through some process of elimination in the past with confusing results. For instance it would run well with the xrftw connected and twa disconnected and inversely it would run well with the xrftw disconnected and the twa connected but not with the two together. I have tried the p212s in the garage and in the house. I have replaced the p212s with the altronix. I have replaced the controller. It is all in the 16 pages of this thread.
 
Mike.
Edit
 
The garage has been disconnected and it did run well. It also ran well when I re attached the garage.

 

[RAL]

I can't imagine how the battery could be the cause of this, especially since an 18Ah battery is within Elk's specs.
 
Elk's suggestion about erasing the rules is reasonable.  I could believe that maybe there is a bug in the firmware that causes it to crash and somehow your rules just manage to trip over the bug.

 

[mikefamig]

I can't imagine how the battery could be the cause of this, especially since an 18Ah battery is within Elk's specs.
 
Elk's suggestion about erasing the rules is reasonable.  I could believe that maybe there is a bug in the firmware that causes it to crash and somehow your rules just manage to trip over the bug.

Ditto....I definitely think it's worth a try. Wish I'd thought of it.

 

[Neurorad]

 
Look at the dbh install manual and you will see a + and - post along side the data a and data b connectors. This is where you connect power to supply the dbh. It does not matter where the power comes from as long as it is within voltage specs and supplies enough power for the devices that you conect to the dbh.
 
I have "data a" and "data b" and a common (-) connected between the m1 and the dbh in the garage. Then I ran 12vdc + and - from the altronix to the + and - posts of the dbh. I could have used power from the M1 or any other 12 volt power source but I chose the altronix.
 
Mike.

Is it kosher to run the 2 power sources in parallel like that, to the DBH?

For posterity's sake, when you used the P212s, did you install the jumper on it for dedicated RS485 use (not the terminal jumper)? Did you enroll it and un-enroll it like a KP? And, can you use it for both the data bus power and for the single outputs, simultaneously? Instructions are vague, but I think they say either or.

 

[mikefamig]

Is it kosher to run the 2 power sources in parallel like that, to the DBH?

No you should never run two power supplies in parallel, they will drive each other and chances are that the one with more power will damage the other. The two sources are only connected at the common lead, not the +.
 

For posterity's sake, when you used the P212s, did you install the jumper on it for dedicated RS485 use (not the terminal jumper)?

I don't know what you mean by "dedicated rs-485 use"
 
M1 jumper=yes Termination jumper=no
 
 

Did you enroll it and un-enroll it like a KP?

Yes

And, can you use it for both the data bus power and for the single outputs, simultaneously? Instructions are vague, but I think they say either or.

 
I don't understand this question. You can use the p212s power supply for as many 12 volt loads as you like as long as you don't demand more power than it is rated to supply.
 
Mike.

 

[mikefamig]

I can't imagine how the battery could be the cause of this, especially since an 18Ah battery is within Elk's specs.

 
The system had run perfectly with the new controller for 5 days . I changed the battery and the symptoms returned. I'm thinking it was a coincidence. The technician in me tells me that I must have disturbed or changed something else but I don't know what.