Dumb Keypad Question

[pkoslow]

For those thinking about Russound systems and keypad placement, here's a PDF that contains full-size reproductions of the UNO-S2 keypad when printed on 8.5 x 11 inch paper.

Print them out, cut them out, and then stick a couple strips of 3M Photo & Document mounting tape (thin & double sided) and you've got an easy way to mock-up the keypad install.

I do this a lot with customers when installing in pre-existing construction... leave them with clients and they can move them around for a week or so until they find placement they are happy with.

Cheers,
Paul

 

[pkoslow]

Here's another with Russound UNO-S2 and Compoint intercom...

 

[Rupp]

Paul,
I would think that installs this nice would be using the screwless wall plates? Do most customers not want these?

 

[Rupp]

It doesn't require a driver. RADi/o is simply a display like your computer monitor that gets split into "chunks" and each chuck is "sent" to one of the I/O displays. If you can write an HTML page that has 4 or 8 equal size pieces of information then this information will be rendered on the I/O displays.

As pressing a button on that HTML page would probably take you to another page, how would you handle navigation? Would you use frames?

For CQC, it's much better to use the driver and the Interface viewer rather than the web browser widget as you get much richer screens with better widgets than IE can display, and only have to write one set of templates at 320x240 [or whatever the resolution is] in order to serve that.

Most modern HTML programming would either use div tags or iFrames to place the content in the proper position but another easy way would be to simply design a VB.net or C#.net app to run in each "region".

 

[upstatemike]

Here are a couple photos that show UNO-S2 keypads integrated with Insteon (Mike I seem to remember you've got a lot on Insteon installed?)

Just slightly more than Smarthome usually stocks in their entire warehouse at any given point in time...

How did you trim the faceplate so neatly for the Uno2? (If I tried that it would have seiously ragged edges.)

What is the back-end system running this setup?

 

[pkoslow]

Paul,
I would think that installs this nice would be using the screwless wall plates? Do most customers not want these?

Rupp,

In existing construction customers want to match what they already have in the rest of the house (as seen in the attached photo... this often means face plates with screws).

For new construction, it's no different as they want this stuff to match as much as possible. One job I'm working now will have wrought iron wall plates made by a local artist who is making most of the homes light fixtures and also some door & cabinet hardware.

Paul

 

[ph0n33z]

Just to chime in on this, I am planning on using the RADI/O for a combination of zoned music, lighting, hvac, security, and security camera viewing.

I am most likely going with either CQC or ML (leaning towards CQC), along with the Russound Compoint Intercom system. So once I get this setup and going, I can provide some more details. Until then, I can look at all the pretty pictures =)

Quick OT question for Paul:
Hey paul, long time no see! (sorry, had to give a greeting). I was wondering how you are wiring/implementing the Gate Compoint for the entry gate? Is it going to be mounted in a wall, or on a post? When someone presses the call button, how would the homeowner activate the gate from the intercom inside? What about the keypad required for entering the Gate Access Code? Would that keypad not cover the call to the house?

upstatemike:
It seems like you are making the RADI/O system more complicated than it is. It really seems like it is exactly what you are looking for. Perhaps you should get a hold of Dwayne to get some more detailed information on them?

 

[pkoslow]

How did you trim the faceplate so neatly for the Uno2? (If I tried that it would have seiously ragged edges.)

What is the back-end system running this setup?

They are fairly easy to modify... I've used hand tools (hack saw blade) and also a cutting wheel on a pneumatic tool for doing larger quantities followed up with a flat file.

The standard Leviton plates with screw are hard brittle plastic and take some care not to chip/crack/shatter... the screwless plates from Russound are more flexible and less likely to break.

I've done several dozen and only broken 2...

The photo is a keypad setup in my own home (snapped the picture so I could post to this thread). It's HomeSeer, Elk, ADI, MainLobby.

I've got a number of different technologies installed for customers now (UPB, Insteon, ELK M1, Russound, etc.) but have yet to intall a PC based system. This is actually by design as I haven't sorted out the details of a PC based system that I'd feel confortable installing yet (working on it), and an happy to keep my initial installs as simple as possible.

The fact is, I haven't had a request from a local customer for anything that can't be done without a PC... I haven't even had a local customer yet who keeps a PC running 24x7, most aren't technology buffs!

Cheers,
Paul

 

[upstatemike]

Most modern HTML programming would either use div tags or iFrames to place the content in the proper position but another easy way would be to simply design a VB.net or C#.net app to run in each "region".

Rupp,
Were you speaking English in this response?

 

[pkoslow]

Quick OT question for Paul:
Hey paul, long time no see! (sorry, had to give a greeting). I was wondering how you are wiring/implementing the Gate Compoint for the entry gate? Is it going to be mounted in a wall, or on a post? When someone presses the call button, how would the homeowner activate the gate from the intercom inside? What about the keypad required for entering the Gate Access Code? Would that keypad not cover the call to the house?

ph0n33z,

I'm still working two full time jobs (until Wednesday when I leave the corporate world behind to dedicate myself entirely to the HA business), so haven't been on the message boards much.

I'm looking to put ComPoint in for 2 clients right now who have gates. Both already have existing gate systems in place, but it looks like ComPoint will piggy-back without issue (leaving their existing keypad in place). One has a small stone wall with the keypad mounted, and the other has a simple pole. The ISDR1 door strike release module provides a relay output which is all that's required to interface with the gate controls that already exist.

Both of these homes already have several technologies for controlling the gates (RF remotes like garage door openers, keypad with code, and vehicle sensors). One has vehicle sensors on both sides of the gate... the one on the inside will always trigger to open for a departing vehicle. The one on the outside can be set to open automatically or not depending on their preference.

The basic ISK1 room intercom has two door buttons that can be pressed for 3 secs. to release a door or open a gate, the advanced ISK2 intercom does the same by pressing the Prev & Next keys for 3 seconds.

My biggest issue right now is the ComPoint distance limitation of 250ft. The gate at one customer is ~700ft from the house and the other is ~1200ft! I'm working with the engineers at Russound to find a workaround, but will have a backup plan using other hardware if it doesn't work out. It's a real bummer because the alternate solution will interface with the homes phones and not the Compoint intercoms.

Cheers,
Paul

 

[ph0n33z]

Distance is going to be an issue for our house as well. It is probably around 400feet to the house. So unless you hear of a workaround for this, I may be stuck using the phone system instead of the compoint.

Thankyou so much for your assistance on this Paul! Congratulations on the full time HA business endeavor. I know you will do well, as you are a truly kind and professional businessman.

 

[IVB]

Most modern HTML programming would either use div tags or iFrames to place the content in the proper position but another easy way would be to simply design a VB.net or C#.net app to run in each "region".

Rupp,
Were you speaking English in this response?

Thank god someone else thought that too. None of that seemed easy to me

 

[Digger]

I just want a tablet that will control my ELK, view CCTV, browse the net, email and do a few simple home theater functions (in the future).

I know that $200 is not a lot for a tablet but I have been out of work for about a month so I have limited funds (which is a killer with all of this time on my hands).

 

[IVB]

Where do you live? What do you do? PM me; I'm on several different alumni lists from my former nation-wide employers, and am constantly getting "do you know anyone in this city" type emails.

oh, and until you get a job, you should stop reading cocoon - it'll be too dang tempting

 

[BraveSirRobbin]

Mike;

You may be interested in THIS thread discussing MainLobby and RedRadio.