I'm sure I will have an issue - window contacts

[v1rtu0s1ty]

Before you commit yourself on a location make sure that you can mount a magnet on the window part.

For instance if you read my security how-to you will see that I had a situation with two windows that opened "up and down" vertically. There was a wire mechanism on both sides of the window and though I can't remember the details now, I could not install a magnet on the side frame of those windows.

So just watch out for "both" ends...

Hi BraveSirRobin,

Here is a picture from yesterday. I noticed that I have a color gray object that always follow the window when I bring it up and down. I'm going to the site again to do more measurements and investigations. I've run out of ideas if side does not work. Also, I will check the water drain by inserting a flexible long rod. I'm hoping that when I insert it, it will stop in 5 inches. Or it could be that that hollow is all the way from the water drain to the other end of the window. I think it would be the latter since I noticed 2 holes outside the window below(could be for drain).

 

[BraveSirRobbin]

Yes, I'm a little worried about you being able to mount a magnet along the side of that window! You could always remove one and actually see what it looks like along the side (take pics for us also of course ).

I'm betting there is some kind of a cable that retracts and is "held" by that gray object.

 

[v1rtu0s1ty]

Yes, I'm a little worried about you being able to mount a magnet along the side of that window!  You could always remove one and actually see what it looks like along the side (take pics for us also of course  ).

I'm betting there is some kind of a cable that retracts and is "held" by that gray object.

Yes, you are correct BraveSirRobbin. Here are new pictures. I don't have anymore options. The water drain I mentioned earlier didn't have any wall. The flexible rod that I inserted in the water drain reach the other end and I saw it. That means, I should not create a hole at the bottom.

I have pictures here that shows the side of the window when it is tilted. The gray object I've shown previously allows the window to be tilted.

Please help me for more ideas. For sure, both the window side hole and bottom hole approach are out. Wireless would be my last option too.

 

[Steve]

You could always go with a wired screen at the bottom and a 5150 shock on the top fixed part. You would still need to drill some holes though.n Also the screens are not cheap - around $50-$60 per opening.

 

[v1rtu0s1ty]

Are there any contact sensors that I can install like this picture? Or is it not a good implementation?

 

[BraveSirRobbin]

[yoda voice] Read the security how-to you must![/yoda voice]

 

[v1rtu0s1ty]

[yoda voice] Read the security how-to you must![/yoda voice]

I don't know if something is wrong with my computer monitor. I could hardly see the external magnet sensor and the hole you mentioned there. Can you please tell me what model that external contact sensor is? How did you attach the other piece to the moving window? via a double adhesive tape?

 

[v1rtu0s1ty]

The result was an exterior mounted sensor (disadvantage), but I could use the existing routed wiring (advantage) and not have to tear out sheet rock to relocate the wires.

From your tutorial, why did you say it's a disadvantage? Is it because it is not hidden?

 

[BraveSirRobbin]

I did this a few years ago and don't know the model number. The sensors are 1.5" length and I like them for their small size.

They were just stuck on with their supplied tape (haven't fallen off yet).

The brand is "Seco-Larm". I believe I got these from Worthingon's.

I did a quick search and found some stuff below, don't know if it is the exact model or not:

GRI110TW, Worthington's $20/10 pack

http://www.grisk.com/surface_mount/100.htm
(scroll down)

http://www.seco-larm.com/Magnet2.htm

Seco-Larm part Number sm-204

http://www.christy-ind.com/seco-larm/self-stick.htm#steel

http://www.iaccesscontrol.com/Seco_Alarm_Pricelist.htm


Since you are doing this before drywall is up you could just drill a small hole on the outside of the framework (mine is drilled through the drywall where it meets the frame) and angle it towards the stud. Just put a dab of silicon to seal it then.

 

[BraveSirRobbin]

I did this a few years ago and don't know the model number. The sensors are 1.5" length and I like them for their small size.

They were just stuck on with their supplied tape (haven't fallen off yet).

The brand is "Seco-Larm". I believe I got these from Worthingon's.

I did a quick search and found some stuff below, don't know if it is the exact model or not:

GRI110TW, Worthington's $20/10 pack

http://www.grisk.com/surface_mount/100.htm
(scroll down)

http://www.seco-larm.com/Magnet2.htm

Seco-Larm part Number sm-204

http://www.christy-ind.com/seco-larm/self-stick.htm#steel

http://www.iaccesscontrol.com/Seco_Alarm_Pricelist.htm


Since you are doing this before drywall is up you could just drill a small hole on the outside of the framework (mine is drilled through the drywall where it meets the frame) and angle it towards the stud. Just put a dab of silicon to seal it then.

 

[v1rtu0s1ty]

That is awesome! Very nice and clean picture.

I'm still hopeful for the inside mounting. What do you think about this kind of installation? I'll be drilling the side, pull the wire, hide it behind the frame facing outside the house then just use an industry all weather glue to glue the contact sensors to the top of the water drain. And also, is there a contact sensors that is just 4 to 5mm thick?

 

[BraveSirRobbin]

If they make a contact like that, I'm sure George Risk Industries would be the one to have it.

I did a review and have (though not to detailed) picture of all their different kinds of magnetic sensors HERE.

You will need to get a dealer to order anything from their site though, but I'm sure one of our kind members could accomodate!

As far as your mounting technique, sorry but I don't see the advantage over the surface mount. But, it's late and I'm about to hit the sack.

Maybe I'll get it tomorrow after a night's sleep.

 

[v1rtu0s1ty]

If they make a contact like that, I'm sure George Risk Industries would be the one to have it.

I did a review and have (though not to detailed) picture of all their different kinds of magnetic sensors HERE.

You will need to get a dealer to order anything from their site though, but I'm sure one of our kind members could accomodate!

As far as your mounting technique, sorry but I don't see the advantage over the surface mount. But, it's late and I'm about to hit the sack.

Maybe I'll get it tomorrow after a night's sleep.

I think, this is what I need.

http://www.grisk.com/recessed/mighty_mag.htm

EDIT: Hmmm, I was just thinking about this. Llooks like I will have a very tough time drilling the vinyl side. Drilling the studs at an angle and pointing to the frame is ok. But however, it is going to be tough drilling the lower vinyl side of the window because the hole should be another .25 inch lower than what you see on the picture. I will do some measurements again tomorrow. And I don't think there is such a right angle drill that will fit the space on the water drain. The clearance of the water drain is ~.5 inches.

 

[v1rtu0s1ty]

As far as your mounting technique, sorry but I don't see the advantage over the surface mount.

I didn't understand when you said "I don't see the advantage over the surface mount"? Which part are you referring to?

 

[v1rtu0s1ty]

Spoke to GRI today and they recommended this to me:
http://www.grisk.com/surface_mount/505.htm

This is what they told me

When you mount this switch it will actually mount on the window frame close to the top with the same size magnet on the non-moving section of the window.

Can someone please help me? The sentence is so confusing to me. B) When I read that, I don't know anymore which is what, is it the frame in my head but they're actually referring to the other thing.

Please help.