Linwood said:
Well, shoot. I do9n't really want to go with an already out of date one either.
Just to be clear, I don't want to control automation from the panel, just get zone and alarm status. But I think you understood that.
Anyone else have suggestions? Is it just ELK?
I'm not an expert on any of these products so all I can do is comment on what I think I've found in my research which many times is just what other people have said. My current understanding is that the DSC NEO are completely closed systems with no automation interface at all. If I recall correctly, the previous generation had an optional module or two that would interface to RS232 as well as the 3rd-party Envisalink ethernet interface (not sure but possibly because they reverse engineered the unencrypted protocol).
I believe the NEO is like my UltraSync. Looks more "modern" but primarily just more locked down. The UltraSync has the hint of "future" automation integration, basically a place to put a password for said automation to use. But the reality was that the protocol was still proprietary and licensed to 3rd parties; in fact, when I asked a couple of years ago they had exactly ONE 3rd party licensee that was a nobody. I was told that providing wider access or even publishing the interface was a potential future feature. Of course completely dead now along with the company.
It could very well be that my info is out of date and that DSC has released an add-on or published a protocol for the NEO series. I hope so but have zero expectations.
When I last looked, the Honeywell stuff was just as ancient and cobbled mess of components.
As I've said, the UltraSync hardware seems pretty nice and the product line made sense. The software was supposedly an improvement. They, and many other companies, see the IoT world as a business opportunity beyond what they have the chops for. They all think they can make their product the center of the universe and therefore they don't want their stuff to be a slave to other systems unless its one of the huge voice assistants. I, for one, have zero interest in a voice assistant spying on me nor do I like any cloud-dependent service. None of these companies want to empower consumers.
In my new house I've got a couple other uncooperative products. Geothermal HVAC with Ecobee-based thermostats that will only talk through the cloud. Chamberlain garage door openers that talk through the cloud. Velux skylights that make it really difficult to integrate. My Loxone is the only thing that is at least reasonably capable of two-way integration. I just haven't gone to the work of kludging together all the hacks that would be required to integrate everything (which would still be stubbornly cloud dependent).
The be-all approach is just plain stupid and I wish manufacturers would get a clue. Applies to other consumer electronics too. TVs with a pile of garbage apps. BluRay players with apps! Just bloated junk that adds to the cost but doesn't really do anything useful.