Windows Home Server Over XP?

hucker

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I"m looking at installing WHS on top of my windows XP SP3 home automation box. It really 'seems' to do many of the things that I'm interested in. I wonder how reliable it is to install on top of XP. The last thing I want to do is rebuild that machine (yes I have backups). Any words of wisdom appreciated.
 
I've never tried to update an XP machine to WS 2003 Standard.

But if you have an image, try it anyways...not a big deal to restore an image.

I personally would rebuild it.
 
I've never tried to update an XP machine to WS 2003 Standard.

But if you have an image, try it anyways...not a big deal to restore an image.

I personally would rebuild it.

I've done some more reading and apparently the only way to install WHS is a fullup install. No installing over an OS. I was confused because I found reference to all of the OS's that were supported and thought I was good to go... XP, Vista and now 7. However those OS's aren't the OS's on the server, they are the OS's on the client machines that can access the server... So now I have some thinking to do as to how I'm gonna build this...probably a new box. Darn, it looked so promising...

WHS features are pretty awesome I must say....
 
WHS is definitely a standalone OS. I wouldn't even try a dual boot due to reliability issues and such. Maybe it's time to invest in an Atom or Ion based mobo and save some money in the long run. I had a windows based DVR and a server running win2k3 and the setup had a draw of about 350 watts continuously 24/7.

I went to a NVR with an Axis encoder (for more reasons than just electric) and an Atom based NAS system running FreeNAS and now the two systems draw about 85 watts total and 100 watts total when the NAS drives are spinning. Might be something to consider.

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Automatic backup, dynDNs, web hosting, Disk pooling

Well those are it's features sure, but I mean practically. what has WHS allowed you to do that XP did not allow, or was too difficult to do.

what are you doing wish WHS now that you weren't able to do before?
 
The biggest has to be the automatic backup off all the connected machines on your LAN (well, up to 10 machines per the license). This happens automatically and is "smart" enough not to duplicate files. So the first backup of a XP machine might take 10gb, while backing up a 2nd XP machine might only take 5gb because it doesn't duplicate all the OS files. Yet you can recover from a complete client failure very easily.

The second thing I really like about it is the shared folders. These are folders on the WHS (default includes folders like Software, Pictures, Videos, Music, etc - but you can add more folders easily) that are shared among all client machines. While this is possible without WHS, I personally always had issues with security, especially when trying to access from different OS systems (Vista vs XP, etc). Sometimes I'd have to input my user name & password to gain access - or they shares sometimes simply didn't show up, etc. Or I would try to modify a file while using my Vista machine and would be told I didn't have the correct rights to do it, etc, etc, etc. With WHS even an idiot like me can see & access (and modify) the shared folders - everytime - on any machine - without any issues.

The shared folders can also be set up to be duplicated. WHS will store copies on the folders and contents of said folder on two different disk drives. This adds another layer of safety and should allow you to recover data even if a drive is lost.

To summarize - the automatic backups and ease of folder sharing among all users is what really makes WHS stand out IMHO. I use other features too, but those are game changers for me at least.
 
Another question I had, which I've never had answered, is if the OEM version is like other Windows OEM versions, where it'll only be allowed on one PC, so if you switch to a new machine as your WHS machine, you'd have to buy another OEM copy. True? Or have none of you had to deal with that yet?
 
I haven't had to deal with that yet. But I suspect even if that was the "policy," you could call MS and get the license reactivated. They seem to be very willing to do that with OEM software. Stuff happens and people have to swap out motherboards sometimes. MS seems to be willing to work with you in those situations.
 
Ya, I've done it with XP OEM licenses....but I'm so loath to rely on the generosity and willingness of Microsoft.

Otherwise though, I think it's time to make this plunge. Backups have become a concern for me recently, and we certainly have a need for ease of shared drives.
 
The biggest has to be the automatic backup off all the connected machines on your LAN (well, up to 10 machines per the license). This happens automatically and is "smart" enough not to duplicate files. So the first backup of a XP machine might take 10gb, while backing up a 2nd XP machine might only take 5gb because it doesn't duplicate all the OS files. Yet you can recover from a complete client failure very easily.

The second thing I really like it is the shared folders. These are folders on the WHS (default includes folders like Software, Pictures, Videos, Music, etc - but you can add more folders easily) that are shared among all client machines. While this is possible without WHS, I personally always had issues with security, especially when trying to access from different OS systems (Vista vs XP, etc). Sometimes I'd have to input my user name & password to gain access - or they shares sometimes simply didn't show up, etc. Or I would try to modify a file while using my Vista machine and would be told I didn't have the correct rights to do it, etc, etc, etc. With WHS even an idiot like me can see & access (and modify) the shared folders - everytime - on any machine - without any issues.

The shared folders can also be set up to be duplicated. WHS will store copies on the folders and contents of said folder on two different disk drives. This adds another layer of safety and should allow you to recover data even if a drive is lost.

To summarize - the automatic backups and ease of folder sharing among all users is what really makes WHS stand out IMHO. I use other features too, but those are game changers for me at least.


I concur. I have several systems in the house and you wouldn't believe how difficult it is to get them all to share files. I used Network Magic at one point but it wasn't working well for me across all the different platforms. Another great feature is to be able to access your files from the web anywhere, AND remote desktop into your systems from the web interface. WHS is a much more complete and user friendly system than most all other MS platforms (and requires very few resources). I rarely have any issues with my server.

WHS is based off of the Windows Server 2003 architecture, so pretty sure it won't mesh perfectly with XP.

Also, with OEM licenses, lot's of times you can just call when you move/change your system. They ask why, my reasons have always been upgrading the hardware which is perfectly okay with them.
 
Ya, I've done it with XP OEM licenses....but I'm so loath to rely on the generosity and willingness of Microsoft.

Otherwise though, I think it's time to make this plunge. Backups have become a concern for me recently, and we certainly have a need for ease of shared drives.

The backup features of WHS are impressive. All connected PC's are completely imaged. If you have a hard drive failure on any of your machines you install a WHS recovery cd, boot and it pulls a full backup down from WHS. That rocks. WHS is smart enough not to back up the same file twice, so if you have multiple machines all running Win7, Office, WinAmp and Photoshop your required backup space is greatly reduced. You also have control over keeping monthly/daily/weekly images...

The hardware requirements of WHS are small and there are NO requirements for having drives with equal geometries . You basically add a drive and it gets added to your storage area. It knows about USB, Firewire, as well as whatever drivers are internal. It can be setup to store data in mulitiple drives so you are safe from a single drive failure. It does not support using NAS storage in the drive pool though you can easily copy files to a NAS using traditional tools like robocopy or dirsync.

There is other stuff that people may find useful like RDP between any machines connected to the server, client health monitoring etc.

There is a lot to like about it if you have a bunch of PC's and really want to nail down the backup and Shared storage.
 
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