NQ Link - Android App for OmniPro II

plofstof

New Member
bdAZ said:
Amazing!
A thought: would you consider open sourcing it? I'm be more than willing to pay some money towards the cost for you to recoup your initial investment.

If you released it to Github there are a number of developers in this community who together could improve this app as a community for years to come. Thoughts?
 
Apologies for my irregular posts but since I only recently registered here on cocoontech my post rate is still being throttled by the forums :)
 
This is an interesting question.  In principle I would support the idea of open sourcing, I am a believer in the power of open source.
 
At the same time I must find a way to recoup the money I spent. He drove a hard bargain, and I assumed considerable risk when I made the PayPal transfer... Some nervous moments wondering whether he would take the money and run :)
(and he did actually insist on changing the terms of our deal mid-stream, which required some delicate negotiation to get out of). I was planning to charge a subscription equal to or less than what he used to charge to help me recoup the funds. 
 
The other factor to work through is the Play Store security audits, which must keep a single developer account accountable even if multiple devs are working on it.
 
I think I will make this statement:  if I can somehow at least recover what I paid the developer, and if enough devs in the community show interest and willingness and capacity to assist with further development of the app, I would be happy to start an open source effort on git. 
Simply put, what I need to avoid is a situation where I expose the source code and cannot recoup the money I paid, only to find out that no one is interested in putting in the hard yards to assist with the development.
 
Can I ask that people interested in contributing either financially or in terms of development effort respond here or DM me so that I can get a sense?
 
plofstof said:
HI everyone.  I have good news. 
Like most of you I have been super frustrated when I realised that the NQLink app is not available anymore.  And like many of you I have also been trying to support the developer historically.
 
After the app disappeared I reached out to the developer and despite some difficult language barriers I was able to determine that Google has banned the developer from the Play Store. I have no idea why, nor am I interested, but presumably he violated some of Google's Ts&Cs. The developer briefly attempted to open a new account but Google detected this and deleted this, too. He sent me the attached screenshot of a mail he received from Google - in the mail Google basically indicated to him that he will never be allowed back into the store.
 
The subscription options, be it monthly or annually, have also disappeared and so anyone using the app right now will be forced to use the death-by-watching-diamond-collecting-ads that he had built into the app.
 
In any event, over the past two weeks I negotiated a deal with the developer through which I purchased the source code of the app from him. I know that the OmniPro community is probably waning in size, but to my mind the NQLink app is one of the best apps out there and using native apps like Snaplink is just not an option. Having access to source code is crucial, as future updates to Android my render any current APK incompatible.
 
I have now obtained the source code and confirmed that the source code I purchased is functional and complete. In the next few days I will be working towards publishing an updated "under new management" version of the app on the Play Store.
 
My primary purpose here is to allow users like myself and others on this forum to continue using the app. I will keep you posted on new developments in the near future.  Now that I have the source code I will be able to make sure the app remains compatible with future releases and Android updates etc.
 
Please also let me know if there are more appropriate forums where OmniPro II users tend to discuss, so that I can spread awareness more widely.
 
I only just registered on cocoontech to join this discussion.  It will probably take me 7 to 14 days to deal with all of Google's security requirements. 
They need to check that I am a real person and they need to run some security checks on the code before it can be made available in the Play Store.  All of this takes a bit of time but we'll get there soon enough.  I will keep everyone posted here.
 
He most likely got kicked out of the PlayStore from all the formal "Bait-and-Switch" complaints Google received about him!
I was one of the suckers that paid the App Purchase Fee, and two months later, he locked me out of his program by switching it to subscription based.    
After all the people that paid for the app complained, I notice Google shut him down, then he surfaced under another name.  Looks like Google took a while to figure out it was the same scammer.
Since you're a newbie, how do we know your not him?
I would never trust his app again!
 
Just my personal opinion....
 

plofstof

New Member
centerscape said:
Since you're a newbie, how do we know your not him?
I would never trust his app again!
 
Just my personal opinion....
How do you know I'm not him?  Hehe.  That is a question I never anticipated but it is a fair question I guess.  Let's see.  For one I can speak English and he can't.  If you ever mailed him you'll know what I mean.  I never knew about the active OmniPro community here on the cocoontech forum, in the past I have been most active on Homeseer forums where the OmniPro plugin is discussed (that forum directed me here, in fact).  But other than hosting a zoom session and allowing people to look me in the eyes I don't know how to prove my identity I guess trust must be earned over time. 

I also fell victim to the same bait-and-switch.  Actually, I have been subscribing on an annual basis and then more recently he cancelled my annual subscription mid-term in what appeared to be an attempt to push up the price.  Which would have resulted in me losing six months' worth of upfront-paid subscription time.  Talk about greedy, he could not even wait until the next subscription renewal date.  That may be why he was banned.  But I can only speculate.

Like all of you I have become reliant on the app, which is excellent, and like all of you I became super frustrated with the behaviour of the developer, which is dodgy and inexcusable. And so I decided to try and do something about it. I took considerable risk when I transferred the cash to purchase the source code, but fortunately he did honor the transaction and I have managed to get the code to compile. (That was a big "phew" moment...!)

My offer to go open source remains, as per my previous post. I am not doing this for the money. I'm doing this for the functionality of my own home and that of the community. I love the OP2 system, really sad that it has been discontinued by Leviton, but hoping to get the most out of it in cooperation with the community who is in the same boat.

Sent from my SM-G998B using Tapatalk
 

madburg

Member
I understood from the moment you mentioned having to buy the source code from him, there would be a charge. I never had the app and guess lucky in the sense of no monetary loss. However I did have HAIKU for iOS and somewhat similar ending... which sucked. Now I pay a year subscription for Myro:Home. 
 
My goal is to have cheap android tablets in a few key locations to serve as home automation consoles. To expensive from the Apple side. If you need a guinea pig, I can pay (reasonable cost) to get you started on the road to recover on your investment (I don't need source, etc.) can sideload an apk, etc.. Im looking to run on a Amazon Fire Tablet (HD10). 
 
Just a though, if all your looking to is recoup cost and maybe some money on top. You could create some sort of go fund me where by you set the $ goal. Once its reached you could open source it to get community contributors from that point on. I'm sure there will be many suggestions that come your way.
 

bdAZ

Member
My hunch is that a number of us who still have HAI Omni panels installed in our homes have moved onto Home Assistant. The combination of Home Assistant + OmniLink (open source) works far better than NQ Link in terms of customization. It's a steeper learning curve for sure, but worth it once it is up and running. I did purchase NQ Link, but after the fiasco invested the time into getting first an OpenHAB, then ultimately a Home Assistant setup going. 
 
My ask about open sourcing NQ Link is moreso around ensuring the functionality and libraries continue to exist for future connectivity to this great security platform. 
 

pete_c

Guru
I also tried first version and HAI plugin for OpenHab and it worked well for me.  Then went to Home Assistant. 
 
Here using both Home Assistant OmniLink Bridge and Homeseer Omni plugins.   My touchscreens are running Homeseer Touch and OmniPro Touch.
 
Android phone and Windows 11 tablets are running the updated Snaplink which works fine.   Old Mobile windows also ran fine  with Snaplink.
 
My OmniPro 2 panel is running fine here as always.  
 
Always tinkering and look forward to your endeavor with NQ Link.
 
Sorry, but I got burned by the deceptive developer twice, and regardless of how good the application was, I'm not willing to stand at the plate for a third strike.
 
From my understanding,  there are a lot of users that feel the same way.  We've all moved on to other applications, which have trusted developers.
 
Good Luck on your venture, just hope you didn't pay too much for the code...
 

 
plofstof said:
How do you know I'm not him?  Hehe.  That is a question I never anticipated but it is a fair question I guess.  Let's see.  For one I can speak English and he can't.  If you ever mailed him you'll know what I mean.  I never knew about the active OmniPro community here on the cocoontech forum, in the past I have been most active on Homeseer forums where the OmniPro plugin is discussed (that forum directed me here, in fact).  But other than hosting a zoom session and allowing people to look me in the eyes I don't know how to prove my identity I guess trust must be earned over time.  I also fell victim to the same bait-and-switch.  Actually, I have been subscribing on an annual basis and then more recently he cancelled my annual subscription mid-term in what appeared to be an attempt to push up the price.  Which would have resulted in me losing six months' worth of upfront-paid subscription time.  Talk about greedy, he could not even wait until the next subscription renewal date.  That may be why he was banned.  But I can only speculate. Like all of you I have become reliant on the app, which is excellent, and like all of you I became super frustrated with the behaviour of the developer, which is dodgy and inexcusable. And so I decided to try and do something about it. I took considerable risk when I transferred the cash to purchase the source code, but fortunately he did honor the transaction and I have managed to get the code to compile. (That was a big "phew" moment...!) My offer to go open source remains, as per my previous post. I am not doing this for the money. I'm doing this for the functionality of my own home and that of the community. I love the OP2 system, really sad that it has been discontinued by Leviton, but hoping to get the most out of it in cooperation with the community who is in the same boat. Sent from my SM-G998B using Tapatalk
 

JohnC

New Member
Hello All and thank you for your helpful comments here. Newbie question: I was almost certainly one of the last people to invest in Omnipro 2 whole house automation before it was discontinued (new home build). It's been frustrating (I did a home with Leviton x10 + Home Manager 30 years ago, swore never again, upgraded it to Crestron, etc, etc). I am a tech imbecile. I just switched phones from a Pixel 3 to o a 6 and I can't (obviously) download the NQ Link app from the app store. The app was working fine when inside the house but no longer worked from outside. (My tech was trying to figure it out.) 3 Questions:

1. Can NQ Link be purchased from the new owner and if so, how?
2. How can I ensure remote access from my Pixel?
3. Are there alternatives members recommend?

Thank you for your support - happy to help, pay,etc.

J
 

bdAZ

Member
If you still have your Pixel3, I would install an app backup app to manually move the app over to your new phone. Something like this:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchfield.appbackuprestore

You can then copy the archive file to your cloud storage, and then retrieve and restore on your new pixel6.

To access from outside the house you probably need to update the config on the app to a publically accessible IP address / port combo (also ensure your port forwarding is enabled to the Omni panel).
 
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