PCS, creators of UPB, considering offering HAI OmniPro repair service, input needed!
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I am the last person to program the panel, I have the PC Access, and I have the lastest "profile" saved. I believe I have the latest PC Access version, and the OP2 was also at the latest version.
Good question about the keypad, I believe it was working fine (even though no ethernet/serial was). That's how I was able to reset the RAM, I never got to reset the EEPROM. And the keypad still reacted when window-motion alarm zones were tripped, and it still beeped on entry-exit zones. The only issue I was seeing was no serial activity and intermittent ethernet activity (dropped pings on a direct-connect crossover cable between the PC and the OP2).
As for "switches" I am refering to the UPB switch system. I have around 65 (maybe closer to 70) switches between 3 buildings, and I know how to add them to the OP2, but I'm fairly certain I remember the OP2 will send the switch the OP2 default info (like default scenes). I recall this because if you customize a switch first, then add it to the OP2, you lose that customization and you have to start over (a frustration you won't forget).
I'd love to be able to "restore" the replacement OP2 with the "backup" data from the previous one. After some thought, I have two reasons now - one is the customized UPB switchs and now the second are my 5.7e's. I only have four 5.7e's, but I bet you anything if I rebuild a new OP2 it's going to break some kind of "object identifier" inside the 5.7e code. Which means I will have to go through all of the Automation Studio programming as well. I do have that software, and I am the last person to program those, so at least I know who to call!
I hope to get some more wiring done tonight, maybe I can finish that in the next few days. If I have to start from scratch, so be it. I have too many other things interconnected to just throw it all away. Plus I'm old now, and if we throw away everything old.... well....
Good question about the keypad, I believe it was working fine (even though no ethernet/serial was). That's how I was able to reset the RAM, I never got to reset the EEPROM. And the keypad still reacted when window-motion alarm zones were tripped, and it still beeped on entry-exit zones. The only issue I was seeing was no serial activity and intermittent ethernet activity (dropped pings on a direct-connect crossover cable between the PC and the OP2).
As for "switches" I am refering to the UPB switch system. I have around 65 (maybe closer to 70) switches between 3 buildings, and I know how to add them to the OP2, but I'm fairly certain I remember the OP2 will send the switch the OP2 default info (like default scenes). I recall this because if you customize a switch first, then add it to the OP2, you lose that customization and you have to start over (a frustration you won't forget).
I'd love to be able to "restore" the replacement OP2 with the "backup" data from the previous one. After some thought, I have two reasons now - one is the customized UPB switchs and now the second are my 5.7e's. I only have four 5.7e's, but I bet you anything if I rebuild a new OP2 it's going to break some kind of "object identifier" inside the 5.7e code. Which means I will have to go through all of the Automation Studio programming as well. I do have that software, and I am the last person to program those, so at least I know who to call!
I hope to get some more wiring done tonight, maybe I can finish that in the next few days. If I have to start from scratch, so be it. I have too many other things interconnected to just throw it all away. Plus I'm old now, and if we throw away everything old.... well....
I am the last person to program the panel, I have the PC Access, and I have the latest "profile" saved. I believe I have the latest PC Access version, and the OP2 was also at the latest version.
I’M NOT UNDERSTANDING THEN. WITH THE LATEST PROFILE SAVED YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESTORE THE NEW OMNI PRO TO THE WAY EVERYTHING WAS?
Good question about the keypad, I believe it was working fine (even though no ethernet/serial was). That's how I was able to reset the RAM, I never got to reset the EEPROM. And the keypad still reacted when window-motion alarm zones were tripped, and it still beeped on entry-exit zones. The only issue I was seeing was no serial activity and intermittent ethernet activity (dropped pings on a direct-connect crossover cable between the PC and the OP2).
SERIAL, MANUAL, PAGE 23, ** PAGE 54
As for "switches" I am referring to the UPB switch system. I have around 65 (maybe closer to 70) switches between 3 buildings, and I know how to add them to the OP2, but I'm fairly certain I remember the OP2 will send the switch the OP2 default info (like default scenes). I recall this because if you customize a switch first, then add it to the OP2, you lose that customization and you have to start over (a frustration you won't forget).
UH YEAH, I EXPERIMENTED WITH HAI UPB AND HATED IT!
I'd love to be able to "restore" the replacement OP2 with the "backup" data from the previous one. After some thought, I have two reasons now - one is the customized UPB switchs and now the second are my 5.7e's. I only have four 5.7e's, but I bet you anything if I rebuild a new OP2 it's going to break some kind of "object identifier" inside the 5.7e code. Which means I will have to go through all of the Automation Studio programming as well. I do have that software, and I am the last person to program those, so at least I know who to call!
I BELIEVE YOU! BUT I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE YET TO BECOME PROFICIENT WITH AUTO STUDIO.
I hope to get some more wiring done tonight, maybe I can finish that in the next few days. If I have to start from scratch, so be it. I have too many other things interconnected to just throw it all away. Plus I'm old now, and if we throw away everything old.... well....
58YO HERE / ME TOO!
MIGHT BE RELAVENT:
https://cocoontech.com/threads/omni...-than-2003-flash-chip-under-u29-socket.33574/
https://www.sirkom.com/en/producto.php?id=6
I’M NOT UNDERSTANDING THEN. WITH THE LATEST PROFILE SAVED YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESTORE THE NEW OMNI PRO TO THE WAY EVERYTHING WAS?
Good question about the keypad, I believe it was working fine (even though no ethernet/serial was). That's how I was able to reset the RAM, I never got to reset the EEPROM. And the keypad still reacted when window-motion alarm zones were tripped, and it still beeped on entry-exit zones. The only issue I was seeing was no serial activity and intermittent ethernet activity (dropped pings on a direct-connect crossover cable between the PC and the OP2).
SERIAL, MANUAL, PAGE 23, ** PAGE 54
As for "switches" I am referring to the UPB switch system. I have around 65 (maybe closer to 70) switches between 3 buildings, and I know how to add them to the OP2, but I'm fairly certain I remember the OP2 will send the switch the OP2 default info (like default scenes). I recall this because if you customize a switch first, then add it to the OP2, you lose that customization and you have to start over (a frustration you won't forget).
UH YEAH, I EXPERIMENTED WITH HAI UPB AND HATED IT!
I'd love to be able to "restore" the replacement OP2 with the "backup" data from the previous one. After some thought, I have two reasons now - one is the customized UPB switchs and now the second are my 5.7e's. I only have four 5.7e's, but I bet you anything if I rebuild a new OP2 it's going to break some kind of "object identifier" inside the 5.7e code. Which means I will have to go through all of the Automation Studio programming as well. I do have that software, and I am the last person to program those, so at least I know who to call!
I BELIEVE YOU! BUT I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE YET TO BECOME PROFICIENT WITH AUTO STUDIO.
I hope to get some more wiring done tonight, maybe I can finish that in the next few days. If I have to start from scratch, so be it. I have too many other things interconnected to just throw it all away. Plus I'm old now, and if we throw away everything old.... well....
58YO HERE / ME TOO!
MIGHT BE RELAVENT:
https://cocoontech.com/threads/omni...-than-2003-flash-chip-under-u29-socket.33574/
https://www.sirkom.com/en/producto.php?id=6
If the old programming can simply be "pushed" into the replacement controller, that would be great. I was thinking each OP2 was tied to it's code somehow, such as the MAC address or serial number of the board. Or maybe even those 2 MAC-like security codes you have to put into the 5.7e to get it to talk to the OP2. But if there is no verification between the PC Access programming and the OP2, then I'm all set.
Clearly I would back up the replacement unit's OP2 programming before trying anything - and update it's firmware to the latest - then program with my old OP2 programming. I just downloaded the 4.0b from - of all places - Worthington Distribution. Can't believe they still have it up, but they've always been a great company. Thanks to them for still supporting the OP2 in any way they can.
Thanks to all for the assistance!
Clearly I would back up the replacement unit's OP2 programming before trying anything - and update it's firmware to the latest - then program with my old OP2 programming. I just downloaded the 4.0b from - of all places - Worthington Distribution. Can't believe they still have it up, but they've always been a great company. Thanks to them for still supporting the OP2 in any way they can.
Thanks to all for the assistance!
A quick update, finished re-wiring tonight and started programming. Here are my steps for anyone else who has to do this:
First thing I did was to change the encryption key in the new OP2 to match the old OP2. Left the default IP of 192.168.0.101 so any of my IP devices wouldn't find the new OP2. Next, connected to the panel with PC Access via ethernet, read and saved default (blank) programming. Then, firmware updated from 3.11 to 4.0b (took a good 15 minutes). Read and saved default programming again (for 4.0b). Changed the OP2 IP address to its normal IP on my network. Back in PC Access, opened my normal programming file and simply wrote that to the OP2. And it works! Date and time updated from the email notifier NTP board, and I had to reset the 5.7e's but they came on fine.
I have some other things to check up on, but I think I'm good. This proves to all that you can simply push your old configuration into a new OP2 with the same firmware. Thanks to all who helped, sometimes it's good just to bounce ideas off people to get another point of view.
Keeping with this original thread, I'd still like to get the old OP2 fixed. It worked well for many years and visually looks fine. I'm sure I could diagnose it further, but with all the surface mount components, I don't think I could repair it.
Thanks again!
First thing I did was to change the encryption key in the new OP2 to match the old OP2. Left the default IP of 192.168.0.101 so any of my IP devices wouldn't find the new OP2. Next, connected to the panel with PC Access via ethernet, read and saved default (blank) programming. Then, firmware updated from 3.11 to 4.0b (took a good 15 minutes). Read and saved default programming again (for 4.0b). Changed the OP2 IP address to its normal IP on my network. Back in PC Access, opened my normal programming file and simply wrote that to the OP2. And it works! Date and time updated from the email notifier NTP board, and I had to reset the 5.7e's but they came on fine.
I have some other things to check up on, but I think I'm good. This proves to all that you can simply push your old configuration into a new OP2 with the same firmware. Thanks to all who helped, sometimes it's good just to bounce ideas off people to get another point of view.
Keeping with this original thread, I'd still like to get the old OP2 fixed. It worked well for many years and visually looks fine. I'm sure I could diagnose it further, but with all the surface mount components, I don't think I could repair it.
Thanks again!
Sound's like you get an A+ for setting up your new board and configuring both the new board and your devices / network.
Sounds like it went flawlessly.
Yeah, I was in PC Access today, if you had used serial ports the port being used should be set to "Omni Link 9600 baud"
GREAT WORK! I would at least examine the old board under magnification, you might find something...
Sounds like it went flawlessly.
Yeah, I was in PC Access today, if you had used serial ports the port being used should be set to "Omni Link 9600 baud"
GREAT WORK! I would at least examine the old board under magnification, you might find something...
mavromatis
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Wow, this is all great! I just wanted to chime in that it seems that I’ve been getting more people reaching out to me about omnipro II network no longer responding. I’m going to try to do a realtek Ethernet chip swap to see if this is all it needs. Has anyone done that here with success?
WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ON THIS -- you're obviously good at the component level...
I was lead to believe this was a firmware bug, possibly cured by the very final V4 B release?
I have an early Omnipro II that was on V3. something firmware and had the erratic ethernet lockups. I have got an update EPROM for it, but swapped in a late model flash upgradable one whilst power was off, so I could experiment with the old one on the bench.
I also have a spare EPROM based one, so I can compare the two when I get enough spare time.
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